Episode 53
Brand Story Podcast

The Empowered No

featuring Vanessa Patrick

Associate Dean for Research and Professor of Marketing at the University of Houston

Vanessa Patrick, Associate Dean for Research and Professor of Marketing at the University of Houston, discusses how to feel empowered while saying no with our president, Steve Gilman.

Think back to a time you said yes to a request — do you wish you said no instead? Whether it’s peer pressure or people-pleasing tendencies, sometimes we find ourselves in situations where we answer how we think others want us to instead of considering our own feelings. Vanessa’s new book, The Power of Saying No, is here to help reshape that mindset.

In this episode of Brand Story, we sit down with Vanessa to talk about the art of empowered refusal. She explains how an empowered no is not a rejection, but rather a statement about oneself that stems from your identity. Her way of categorizing requests on a scale of “pass the salt” to “bake your famous lasagna” provides a unique perspective on how we prioritize asks, so we can feel confident in saying no.

About the Guest

Vanessa Patrick

Associate Dean for Research and Professor of Marketing at the University of Houston

Vanessa is an Associate Dean for Research and Professor of Marketing at the University of Houston, and a Fulbright Specialist. She has published dozens of research articles in top-tier academic journals, with her work appearing in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Fast Company, and the Washington Post. Her new book, The Power of Saying No, offers advice on conflict resolution, boundaries, and communication.

Quickfire Q&A

What would you name this chapter of your life right now?

Vanessa: Impact. I’ve thought a lot about emerging from being in academia to becoming more of an engaged scholar. Someone who has an impact on the world with their work.

If you could give your younger self any advice, what would it be?

Vanessa: Do not be afraid of the empowered no. The ability to stand up for yourself and say an empowered ‘no’ — if only I had learned that when I was 24.

About The Host

Steve Gilman

As the President of Gravity Group, Steve is passionate about helping brands reach their goals through honest, creative marketing and powerful brand stories.

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