Episode 102
Brand Story Podcast

Engineering Brand Love

featuring Rick Milenthal

Chairman, Founder, and CEO of The Shipyard

In this episode of Brand Story, our president, Steve Gilman, and Rick Milenthal, Chairman, Founder, and CEO of The Shipyard, explore why emotion beats automation, how fear holds marketers back, and what it takes to build brands people love.

What happens when marketing becomes more automated, more data-driven, and more efficient — but less human?

In this episode of Brand Story, we sit down with Rick to explore why emotion, not technology, is still the most powerful force in branding. Together, we unpack why data should be a tool for understanding people, not intimidating them, and why fear is often the biggest barrier to curiosity, creativity, and growth.

The conversation touches on leadership, agency culture, and the realities marketers face today — from pressure to prove ROI to navigating rapid change brought on by AI. It’s a reminder that while tools and platforms will continue to evolve, the brands that win are the ones that understand people first.

About the Guest

Rick Milenthal

Chairman, Founder, and CEO of The Shipyard

Rick is the Chairman, Founder, and CEO of The Shipyard, one of the nation’s leading independent marketing agencies and the pioneer of “Engineering Brand Love.” He’s worked with clients like Visit California, Disney, Airstream, In-N-Out Burger, Donato’s, The Ohio State University, JobsOhio, CLA, Sempra, Johnson & Johnson, VELOZ, San Diego Tourism Authority, and many more—delivering data-driven creativity and building brands people love. Rick is also the former CEO and founder of Engauge and the former Chairman of Worldwide Partners, the world’s largest network of independent advertising agencies with 80 agencies in 50 countries, where he still serves as senior advisor. He was Co-Founder and Vice Chairman of WE Digital, China’s first social media agency, and continues to be an active investor in marketing startups as a venture partner in NCT Ventures.

Quickfire Q&A

How did you get into marketing and agency work in the first place?

Rick: I have a brother who’s 13 years older than me who got into the agency business, and I just thought it was so cool. So I got to know the business as a kid, and then I ended up going to the agency when I was 16 as a driver.

What keeps you engaged in this business?

Rick: I feel lucky. There was a period of time when we had to work hard to get young people coming out of college or early in their career to believe in this industry, and I’m not seeing it at all anymore. I’m seeing people excited about it. So if they’re excited about it, I’m excited about it. They’re the fuel of our future.

About The Host

Steve Gilman

As the President of Gravity Group, Steve is passionate about helping brands reach their goals through honest, creative marketing and powerful brand stories.

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